I don't know if this is just happening for me, but I noticed that the spam bars are missing? Did you guys turn this off or is it a bug within the Forumotion forums? I'm hoping it's the latter that happened...

I can more or less understand why my posting is marked SPAM but how come the posting after mine that just says 'Love Haruna' is OK but mine is not ?

Lexian wrote:I don't know if this is just happening for me, but I noticed that the spam bars are missing? Did you guys turn this off or is it a bug within the Forumotion forums? I'm hoping it's the latter that happened...

I'm not sure if you still see it, but it is there.

tonymiller wrote:I can more or less understand why my posting is marked SPAM but how come the posting after mine that just says 'Love Haruna' is OK but mine is not ?

Remember that the SPAM are marked manually, so if the mod who marked your post marked yours and not the one after it, he was probably not online when that post was made.

Considering that most posts outside of the "talk" sections are of that nature, I'd say 80% of everything on SH should be marked SPAM as well.

Topics are created to ensure people know the information and know what the bands are doing, not inviting people to go in and have a great chat and make comparisons or such. if you want to say, stay within the topic, and staffs like us won't do anything, or just come shoutbox and say. we don't create shoutbox for nothing.

by claiming that 80% of the posts will be marked SPAM, you need to think carefully. cause basically, I won't do that as most of our members here understand the rules and understand what is OFF TOPIC and what is ON TOPIC, and it can be clearly seen from here.

I find it hard to believe that a post containing the following:

Spoiler:

Can be not considered as spam, while a thoughtful one with content, discussing a picture in the very same thread, can be.

As for your comment, we obviously have differing understandings of what "on topic" means. I have the impression that the moderating team is willing to neither discuss the issue nor make the rules clearer; and the reason why most members evade the spam policy is because they're not actually having discussions, here. Which is odd, considering that this is a web forum.

I've honestly never encountered this situation on other forums, and I find it terribly unfortunate, as we have a fine community, here.

for those comments, yes, i will apologize for not marking the comments as SPAM, since it is my over-negligence, cause they are indeed SPAMs.

like i said, when we create a topic, yes, you can comment. but stay on topic. or if you feel you really need something, go to SCANDAL Talk, and say it out.

what for like an example, the recent media show, from a talk, it can lead to civil war, corruption. that is obviously off topic. and is not the 1st time i should say.

Indeed. I understand that.

But take for example some innocuous comment on, say, the Mami picture thread. If someone wants to comment on the picture, ask a question or answer one... the idea to create a thread about it seems nice at first.

But that amounts to creating a whole thread, linking back to that picture, making a post, and hoping to get more than 2-3 replies. Would such a thread really be worth it ? I would think that, so long as the conversation doesn't go on for more than a very short number of posts, or goes woefully off-topic as you have illustrated, such an independent thread would be unnecessary.

The result, of course, is that no one ever creates those mini-threads. And since they don't, they get warned. In effect, discussion is therefore prevented. This is what I am finding unfortunate.

I saw what Tony post in the Haruna thread and I have to say: I'm with Tony and Belz on this.

BB wrote:what for like an example, the recent media show, from a talk, it can lead to civil war, corruption. that is obviously off topic

Maybe yes, but remember that was the context of the topic that led the conversation toward that side. The spirit is always maintained, I think. Just about different criteria for the same thing.

Belz... wrote:I've honestly never encountered this situation on other forums

Me either...

Since we're all talking about this topic, I guess I should talk about it too.

I'm going to dissect this now. The topic was originally about the video, and the video was pretty much an interview. Okay, let's move on. Page 1, users start off talking about Mami, the hosts, and "what a man prefers". I have no problem with this, as it all relates back into the OP.

Now let's go to page 2. Things are looking good again, until the last part of the post that ends with:

Agree with Belz again! of course she have!... And suppose that the new PV of the girls is set in the beach and they wear a bikini... you are not going to look and will feel morally offended? come on... Not make a drama where none exists. There is a world out there with hunger, corruption and civil wars...

Right after this post, everything just split apart. That one post was the catalyst of the off-topic afterwards, and you can even say it's like the butterfly effect.
Right after, users talk about other celebrities visiting other countries, and then the civil war post. I actually don't mind the other stuff about the beaches, the dark side, etc. But you can see from where the thread originally was, to what it deviated to.

Rinaland wrote:Maybe yes, but remember that was the context of the topic that led the conversation toward that side. The spirit is always maintained, I think. Just about different criteria for the same thing.

I'm not sure how a civil war is a different criteria for Mami having a nice body, the hosts, or any context of the interview. If I missed anything, please point it out.

You're basically saying, if we're on the Haruna picture thread (I'm using your signature for example), and we talk about that orange chair. And then end up talking about furniture, then all of a sudden talk about orange dinosaurs, does that on-topic since the "spirit of orange" is still there?

Belz, I'm not sure what you're saying. But let's say you're in the Mami picture thread, you see some shampoo or something that she uses, and want to question about that. Okay sure I don't mind. But don't go talking about some other random shampoo you use or stylist you go to.

I'm not sure if you understood it all since we have different meanings of spam. If you still are not sure with what we deem "off-topic" or "SPAM worthy", don't hesitate to ask so I can continue to clarify.

No, Plutonium. I was definitely not talking about that topic, but about Tony's post and the forum in general.

Obviously, Dul7's post was quite obviously off-topic, and very personal to him. (Although I probably wouldn't moderate it since there was no follow-up).

But I've gotten warnings and PMs about discussions that were clearly related to whatever was the topic of the thread, mainly pictures and videos, and this is what I was referring to.

Okay, do you think you understand the system a little more now?

As for the warnings you've gotten that have SPAM marked on them, send me copies of them in a PM and I'll look into those.

And like I've said, forumotion limits us to do everything manually. Lots of problems can be caused by this.

Since I've been busy with school, I'm not really that active as I was before. So I'm not really updated with these threads you guys are talking about, but I made the staff fill me in and did some research myself as well.

What we're saying here is stay on-topic. Spam are post that are out of topic or does not help the topic at all, I dunno what part of that is hard to understand. Forum is where topics are created for it to be discussed, not post random things. Posting random things will just invite more random post like from the example Pluto mentioned above, that will just make the thread a chat box which is not. Say a member wants to find good info in the form of discussions in the thread, so he reads the thread, then he sees those random post that has no relation with the topic, will that help? No, he'll just waste time scrolling down these spams.

The random post I'm talking about here includes the "discussion" you are talking about. When I updated myself with the LOVE SURVIVE and the BABY ACTION thread, I saw there discussions that are supposed to be discussed in a forum and it helped me a lot. Not a random comment or a random joke that clearly does not help. I've been here for the longest time and I've seen a lot of good discussions and some "discussions", some because we do our best to prevent it. So if you say 80% of the post here are spam? Then that's clearly wrong.

Chat box are made for a reason inside forums. Take there random discussion and not look for a topic and start a random discussion.

About that creating a new thread just to ask something about a picture or comment on it, I find it stupid just from the start. If you want to ask something or make a comment then do so in the thread, I made those threads in one so that everything is there already and not make different threads for every picture. But if you're comment is "HARUNA KAWAII", then that's clearly a SPAM, should be marked, deleted, and warned. I can say "HARUNA KAWAII" or "Love Haruna" anytime I want, I can say it in the chat box anytime I want, but I don't see how those kinds of post will help a thread progress, therefore they are spam.

And guys, why post here if you see these kinds of post and rant "why my post marked spam when this post is supreme spam?", don't you see a REPORT button?

There are only 8 staffs and we're not full time with the forum, we have school and work as well. I'm extremely busy with school, Eugene with the army, kono with work. So it's not always we'll see every post made here everyday, there are times we might miss something, the reason that Report button is there is for you to help us.

I've been a lot of forums and I've been in two who has been also tight when it comes to preventing spam. So if you've never encountered one then that forum is light on preventing it.

This system will continue as it is, it's a lot of job for us but it's needed to clear the forum from spam. And as Pluto said, everything is done manually. If only there's something in the settings that say "Automatically mark spam and warn member", then I would really love that. But there's none, so it's manually done and there are always disadvantages of doing things manually.

And again if you see a post that you think is SPAM, don't post here or make a new thread, use the report button. Thank you.

mc~ wrote:The random post I'm talking about here includes the "discussion" you are talking about. When I updated myself with the LOVE SURVIVE and the BABY ACTION thread, I saw there discussions that are supposed to be discussed in a forum and it helped me a lot. Not a random comment or a random joke that clearly does not help.

I'm not sure I understand, then, if you think that my discussion with aron94 about the single was on-topic or not.

So if you say 80% of the post here are spam? Then that's clearly wrong.

You should check the picture gallery from time to time. Most posts do not add pictures and do not contribute to the thread. Personally I have no problem with this, but when thoughtful posts are marked as SPAM, then I disagree.

About that creating a new thread just to ask something about a picture or comment on it, I find it stupid just from the start. If you want to ask something or make a comment then do so in the thread, I made those threads in one so that everything is there already and not make different threads for every picture.

Good. But then I'm even more confused about the warnings I've personally gotten in the past.

And guys, why post here if you see these kinds of post and rant "why my post marked spam when this post is supreme spam?", don't you see a REPORT button?

Because I personally see nothing wrong with those posts. Are you saying that Tony's post was reported by someone ?

Belz... wrote:I'm not sure I understand, then, if you think that my discussion with aron94 about the single was on-topic or not.

He said it helped him catch up while he was gone.

Belz... wrote:You should check the picture gallery from time to time. Most posts do not add pictures and do not contribute to the thread. Personally I have no problem with this, but when thoughtful posts are marked as SPAM, then I disagree.

I mark the posts spam when I see utter non-sense posts. Never have I marked your post once. Ever.

Belz... wrote:Good. But then I'm even more confused about the warnings I've personally gotten in the past.

As I said earlier, send me a PM and I will look into these for you. Human error is always there when the things are done manually. You will have to understand that. If you disagree with your warning, PM me and we'll go over it.

Belz... wrote:Because I personally see nothing wrong with those posts. Are you saying that Tony's post was reported by someone ?

I went through the report logs and it was not. Again, human error due to the fact that it was done manually by one of the mods. Issues? PM me and I'll look into it for you.

I can say this, not once have I ever received a PM about member's posts that are marked spam, because I've PMed them before hand about the reason. If you disagree with one mod, take it on to another mod and see where that stands.

[quote="Plutonium"]

Belz... wrote:I went through the report logs and it was not. Again, human error due to the fact that it was done manually by one of the mods. Issues? PM me and I'll look into it for you.

I can say this, not once have I ever received a PM about member's posts that are marked spam, because I've PMed them before hand about the reason. If you disagree with one mod, take it on to another mod and see where that stands.

Good. I'll endeavor to use these options in the future.

Now I'll leave Tonymiller to appeal to the decision if he so wishes.

Plutonium wrote:

Rinaland wrote:Maybe yes, but remember that was the context of the topic that led the conversation toward that side. The spirit is always maintained, I think. Just about different criteria for the same thing.

I'm not sure how a civil war is a different criteria for Mami having a nice body, the hosts, or any context of the interview. If I missed anything, please point it out

I try to explain you a little better: the mention I made about "civil wars" and other serious problems in the world was exaggerated on purpose, in order to understand the point that they were acting out too much about the attitude of hosts. As if I say "there are more extreme troubles, stop worrying about silly things, not that Mami was offended and run out crying from the TV set after all". That is, I tried to empathize with a real and serious problem of how ridiculous we were discussing about (Mami nice body and the alleged offense that it represents, etc, etc)

Then, Dul7 felt involved and said what he said. To not follow in the post (which then yes they will become a gigantic spam) I took BB's advice and sent a PM to Dul7. He understood better and we apologize each other, and I can say we are in a very good terms now.

Finally, we saw and value the work that everyone do to make the forum work well. Sometimes may seem that the mods are a little "strict" to the members (Tony case) or can we be disagree with any interpretation of any rule, but it's nice to talk abouit it and argue among all as doing here. Talk is always good and bring clarity to everyone.

Thanks to all and, again, sorry for my poor english: I never went to learn to any institute or private teacher, I'm self-taught. I learned from the music I hear since ten years old (I'm 31 now). The Beatles were the first to "teach me" the language...

Yes Master. . .Spam is not allowed . . . .wow.

wow i just noticed im a spammer now T_T i didnt really expect this im a really nice poster. idk maybe because my posts are too short sorry!

Update:

I have noticed from time to time some members will go to threads in the Gallery and/or Tabs and Lyrics Section and post "Thanks/Thanks for this/Thank you" on many threads.

You're grateful.We get it.Posting your thanks on a few threads is fine,but not nearly on the whole damn section.

From now on,too many posts saying the same thing "Thanks/Thank you" will be considered as spam.

I believe i've made myself very clear on this.

Just wondering if I were to report a post, how long does it usually take for a staff member to take action?

Profile: SecretBase < shouldn't this person be banned by now (or at least "spammer crowned")

thanks for notifying us. we will get on to that.

usually when someone reported the status, we will get it done within one day.

EugeneAng wrote:Update:

I have noticed from time to time some members will go to threads in the Gallery and/or Tabs and Lyrics Section and post "Thanks/Thanks for this/Thank you" on many threads.

You're grateful.We get it.Posting your thanks on a few threads is fine,but not nearly on the whole damn section.

From now on,too many posts saying the same thing "Thanks/Thank you" will be considered as spam.

I believe i've made myself very clear on this.

https://www.scandal-heaven.com/t1613-lyrics-guitar-chords-and-tabs-spam-prevention

This was implemented a long time ago in that section, but since there are also peeps doing it in the gallery or in any other sections, then it will be for all as Eugene has said.

I got the SPAMMER without notice, no huge SPAM word ... nothing, just SPAMMER ...
I thought there will be a SPAM word in the post before the SPAMMER thing
... it seems like
thanking for the translation and greeting new members = spam

I never posted more than one post in topics like:
blog translation ... or Say Hello ...

and that you can check in the topics.

I saw in the fun corner from one user more than 5 posts (just in one topic) ... if that is OK, than take that SPAMMER thing away from me ...

Tscorpion wrote:... it seems like
thanking for the translation and greeting new members = spam

It's stated right here...

EugenAnd wrote:From now on,too many posts saying the same thing "Thanks/Thank you" will be considered as spam.

It's not if you write X number of posts in a row, which is a form of spam and eventually get punished, but how much you contribute to the topic. Certainly phrases like "Thank you for the translation" or "Welcome" do not add anything new at all.

Being in a forum is not about having the biggest amount of posts, it's about sharing ideas and experiences.